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	<title>Comments on: Mormonism&#8217;s battle against gay marriage</title>
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	<description>One man's quest for digital clairvoyance</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Andrew Callahan</title>
		<link>http://joel-junior.com/wp/2008/06/30/mormonisms-battle-against-gay-marriage/#comment-620</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Callahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 16:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am one of the founders of Signing for Something.

Responding to Sash, we suggest that our site, like Fast and Testimony meeting, is not a place to engage in debate, but a place for folks who have common beliefs to share and strengthen one another.  We do not encourage anyone to go to Church activities and make the kinds of statements there that they do on Signing for Something.

I disagree with Sash's comment of us being "heavy on the aggressive side," rather I think we are willing to allow anyone who wants to speak out in favor of gay marriage or in opposition to the church's political stance.  You will note that our site is not an "anti" site filled with statements about the Adam-God doctrine, Joseph Smith's polygamy, Book of Abraham revelations, Kinderhook plates, etc. although some people have mentioned some of these kinds of issues occasionally.  Our purpose is not to "bring down" the church, but rather to speak out in hopes that the leadership might just hear the voices of the minority.

Despite who our church aligns itself with in this area, our church is a minority and many of the posters to Signing for Something fear that regardless of the outcome of the Prop 8 battle (but much more ominously if it passes) the very coalition that we joined, will eventually turn on us and attack us.  We are a very distinct minority also.

So, there are lots of voices heard at Signing for Something.  But, just as fast and testimony meeting isn't a place to state that you don't believe Thomas S. Monson is a prophet, Signing for Something isn't a place to support Proposition 8.

Best wishes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am one of the founders of Signing for Something.</p>
<p>Responding to Sash, we suggest that our site, like Fast and Testimony meeting, is not a place to engage in debate, but a place for folks who have common beliefs to share and strengthen one another.  We do not encourage anyone to go to Church activities and make the kinds of statements there that they do on Signing for Something.</p>
<p>I disagree with Sash&#8217;s comment of us being &#8220;heavy on the aggressive side,&#8221; rather I think we are willing to allow anyone who wants to speak out in favor of gay marriage or in opposition to the church&#8217;s political stance.  You will note that our site is not an &#8220;anti&#8221; site filled with statements about the Adam-God doctrine, Joseph Smith&#8217;s polygamy, Book of Abraham revelations, Kinderhook plates, etc. although some people have mentioned some of these kinds of issues occasionally.  Our purpose is not to &#8220;bring down&#8221; the church, but rather to speak out in hopes that the leadership might just hear the voices of the minority.</p>
<p>Despite who our church aligns itself with in this area, our church is a minority and many of the posters to Signing for Something fear that regardless of the outcome of the Prop 8 battle (but much more ominously if it passes) the very coalition that we joined, will eventually turn on us and attack us.  We are a very distinct minority also.</p>
<p>So, there are lots of voices heard at Signing for Something.  But, just as fast and testimony meeting isn&#8217;t a place to state that you don&#8217;t believe Thomas S. Monson is a prophet, Signing for Something isn&#8217;t a place to support Proposition 8.</p>
<p>Best wishes.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://joel-junior.com/wp/2008/06/30/mormonisms-battle-against-gay-marriage/#comment-503</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sash,

Thanks for your comments. I want to stress that I am not part of the Signing for Something team running the site, so I can't really speak for their reasons for not keeping a section devoted for opposing viewpoints. Frankly speaking, most of the opposing viewpoints I've heard or have read (apart from whatever may have gone through the screening on the site) are heavy with quotes from Leviticus and light on any valid arguments approaching even the slightest insight to the function of government and constitutional principle.

As for resignation, it's actually surprising that the site isn't pushing for this more. The conversation leading to the launch of the site can be found &lt;a href="http://www.postmormon.org/exp_e/index.php/discussions/viewthread/8836/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;del datetime="2008-07-10T12:29:21+00:00"&gt;It should be noted that Signing for Something has no official connection with &lt;/del&gt;&lt;a href="http://postmormon.org" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;del datetime="2008-07-10T12:29:21+00:00"&gt;PostMormon.org&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;em&gt;Edit: Signing for Something is now an affiliate of PostMormon.org&lt;/em&gt;

If you'd like to express your thoughts on the issue, please feel free to respectfully do it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sash,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments. I want to stress that I am not part of the Signing for Something team running the site, so I can&#8217;t really speak for their reasons for not keeping a section devoted for opposing viewpoints. Frankly speaking, most of the opposing viewpoints I&#8217;ve heard or have read (apart from whatever may have gone through the screening on the site) are heavy with quotes from Leviticus and light on any valid arguments approaching even the slightest insight to the function of government and constitutional principle.</p>
<p>As for resignation, it&#8217;s actually surprising that the site isn&#8217;t pushing for this more. The conversation leading to the launch of the site can be found <a href="http://www.postmormon.org/exp_e/index.php/discussions/viewthread/8836/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. <del datetime="2008-07-10T12:29:21+00:00">It should be noted that Signing for Something has no official connection with </del><a href="http://postmormon.org" rel="nofollow"><del datetime="2008-07-10T12:29:21+00:00">PostMormon.org</del></a>. <em>Edit: Signing for Something is now an affiliate of PostMormon.org</em></p>
<p>If you&#8217;d like to express your thoughts on the issue, please feel free to respectfully do it here.</p>
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		<title>By: Sash nahalin</title>
		<link>http://joel-junior.com/wp/2008/06/30/mormonisms-battle-against-gay-marriage/#comment-501</link>
		<dc:creator>Sash nahalin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found it very interesting that Signingforsomething.org allows only  one point of view to be posted.  Even the "Views that do not persuade us” section has been removed.   It is certainly their right to l9mit points of view on your web page.  It is hypercritical however, given the cry of “censorship”  they  level at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  Their volunteers are screening opposing views  as “inappropriate and off topic.”
The purpose of the  web site became  clear when  I saw this in the “Welcome” e-mail:
“IF YOU'RE RESIGNING “
“Some members have expressed a desire to resign their membership over this issue. While we are not encouraging resignation from the Church, we recognize that members have this right. The website MormonNoMore.com is a resource for those who have asked for this information. We would remind those contemplating resignation of the serious nature and ramifications of such action.”
Signingforsomething.org is  passive –aggressiveness and very heavy on the aggressive side.
Be well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found it very interesting that Signingforsomething.org allows only  one point of view to be posted.  Even the &#8220;Views that do not persuade us” section has been removed.   It is certainly their right to l9mit points of view on your web page.  It is hypercritical however, given the cry of “censorship”  they  level at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  Their volunteers are screening opposing views  as “inappropriate and off topic.”<br />
The purpose of the  web site became  clear when  I saw this in the “Welcome” e-mail:<br />
“IF YOU&#8217;RE RESIGNING “<br />
“Some members have expressed a desire to resign their membership over this issue. While we are not encouraging resignation from the Church, we recognize that members have this right. The website MormonNoMore.com is a resource for those who have asked for this information. We would remind those contemplating resignation of the serious nature and ramifications of such action.”<br />
Signingforsomething.org is  passive –aggressiveness and very heavy on the aggressive side.<br />
Be well.</p>
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